Comments for Helderberg Crime Watch Forum http://www.hcw.org.za/blog The Public Forum of Helderberg Crime Watch Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:23:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 Comment on Welcome! by Amanda Rose http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-636 Amanda Rose Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:36:41 +0000 http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-636 I was really pleased to hear the email the other week that crime had gone down, and also the visible presence of the police in our streets which has increased most noticably and is a great comfort. However I see that criminals are still getting away with it with today's email that crime is once again on the increase again. We will not win against crime until there is zero tolerance and of course until there is a change in the mentality of the criminals themselves. I am sure that there is the criminal who only robs because of necessity - but there is the seasoned one (those with the guns) who now make it their living. I am still thankful for the sight of the Police however, please let them catch or at least put of crimes in the first place - and stop all barking dogs while their at it - until 1am in the morning the other night, surely this is not necessary. I was really pleased to hear the email the other week that crime had gone down, and also the visible presence of the police in our streets which has increased most noticably and is a great comfort. However I see that criminals are still getting away with it with today’s email that crime is once again on the increase again. We will not win against crime until there is zero tolerance and of course until there is a change in the mentality of the criminals themselves. I am sure that there is the criminal who only robs because of necessity - but there is the seasoned one (those with the guns) who now make it their living. I am still thankful for the sight of the Police however, please let them catch or at least put of crimes in the first place - and stop all barking dogs while their at it - until 1am in the morning the other night, surely this is not necessary.

]]> Comment on Welcome! by ian mackenzie http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-571 ian mackenzie Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:39:01 +0000 http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-571 just something to consider for those that have kids. when we were young there was no way we were allowed to make ear splitting blood curdling screams for obvious reasons. i am house-sitting in heldervue and on two separate occasions have had my whole body go ice cold and my hair stand on end with the screams of what i was sure was someone being brutally murdered. only to find kids of the neighbours guests going ballistic. it is not the noise but the nature of it. just something to consider for those that have kids. when we were young there was no way we were allowed to make ear splitting blood curdling screams for obvious reasons.
i am house-sitting in heldervue and on two separate occasions have had my whole body go ice cold and my hair stand on end with the screams of what i was sure was someone being brutally murdered. only to find kids of the neighbours guests going ballistic. it is not the noise but the nature of it.

]]> Comment on Welcome! by HCW Admin http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-130 HCW Admin Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:00:48 +0000 http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-130 Van die HCW Operationele Bestuurder Baie dankie vir u navraag. Ons ontvang daagliks rapporte van HCW bydraers ten opsigte van mense wat rondloop. Die afgelope tyd is daar ook opgemerk dat rondloper persone aan die toeneem is in die hele Somersetwes area. Daar is baie redes daarvoor. Die misdaad aspek is van kardinale belang vir ons want ons optrede is geskool om voorkomend te wees. Nie alle boemelaars en rondlopers is misdadigers nie hoewel as n man honger is en jy het nie geld of voedsel nie, gaan jy steel. Van hulle is ook die oe en ore van ander misdaad sindikate. U kan enige tyd die HCW voertuig van u wyk skakel. Net die feit dat n patrollie offisier in uniform hierdie persoon aanspreek is genoegsaam, sou hy kriminele gedagtes gehad het, weet hy nou hy is geidentifiseer. Die huidige misdaad tendens is, kyk uit vir die goed geklede man of mans wat wel gesproke en vriendelik is. Hierdie persoon sal normaal weg nie as n misdadiger aangesien word nie. Dit is die gevaarlike element daar buite. Hulle ry ook met mooi blink en nuwe motors in die woonbuurt rond. Skryf die registrasie nommer af en skakel ons. Van die HCW Operationele Bestuurder

Baie dankie vir u navraag.

Ons ontvang daagliks rapporte van HCW bydraers ten opsigte van mense wat rondloop. Die afgelope tyd is daar ook opgemerk dat rondloper persone aan die toeneem is in die hele Somersetwes area. Daar is baie redes daarvoor. Die misdaad aspek is van kardinale belang vir ons want ons optrede is geskool om voorkomend te wees. Nie alle boemelaars en rondlopers is misdadigers nie hoewel as n man honger is en jy het nie geld of voedsel nie, gaan jy steel. Van hulle is ook die oe en ore van ander misdaad sindikate.

U kan enige tyd die HCW voertuig van u wyk skakel. Net die feit dat n patrollie offisier in uniform hierdie persoon aanspreek is genoegsaam, sou hy kriminele gedagtes gehad het, weet hy nou hy is geidentifiseer.

Die huidige misdaad tendens is, kyk uit vir die goed geklede man of mans wat wel gesproke en vriendelik is. Hierdie persoon sal normaal weg nie as n misdadiger aangesien word nie. Dit is die gevaarlike element daar buite. Hulle ry ook met mooi blink en nuwe motors in die woonbuurt rond. Skryf die registrasie nommer af en skakel ons.

]]> Comment on Welcome! by At http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-129 At Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:07:43 +0000 http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-129 Raportering van mense wat rondloop Ek het sommer gewonder hoe ander HCW lede voel oor die rapportering van rondlopers in die buurte? Ek woon in Heldervue en het onlangs aangesluit by HCW. Daar was al 'n geleentheid of twee wat ek gewonder het of ek die patrolliemotor moet bel, maar gewoonlik het ek nie seker gevoel of net vooroordelend is en miskien die patrollie se tyd gaan mors nie. Veral Vrydae waneer die vullis uitgesit word is daar baie rondlopers. Nou hoe besluit mens wie is 'n 'n 'verdagte persoon'? Kyk ek na mense van 'n sekere demografie? Dan word ek dalk as 'n rassis gesien. Daar is mense van alle kleure wat werk (of woon) in die buurt of dit as deurloop moet gebruik. Kyk ek na hoe gehawend die persoon is? Meestal is die persoon waarskynlik net 'n honger bedelende boemelaar, maar dalk ook iemand wat vir 'n misdaadgeleentheid soek? So waarvoor kyk ek? Ek weet ons het baie arm honger mense en bedelaars in die land en ek kry hulle jammer, maar so het misdadigers mens ongelukkig ook baie verdag gemaak van ander mense. Ek wonder sommer of van die ander lede kan noem waneer en hoe gemaklik hulle voel om die patrolliemotor te skakel vir mense wat duidelik nie hoort in die buurt nie, veral die wat soos boemelaars lyk? Raportering van mense wat rondloop

Ek het sommer gewonder hoe ander HCW lede voel oor die rapportering van rondlopers in die buurte? Ek woon in Heldervue en het onlangs aangesluit by HCW. Daar was al ‘n geleentheid of twee wat ek gewonder het of ek die patrolliemotor moet bel, maar gewoonlik het ek nie seker gevoel of net vooroordelend is en miskien die patrollie se tyd gaan mors nie. Veral Vrydae waneer die vullis uitgesit word is daar baie rondlopers.

Nou hoe besluit mens wie is ‘n ‘n ‘verdagte persoon’? Kyk ek na mense van ‘n sekere demografie? Dan word ek dalk as ‘n rassis gesien. Daar is mense van alle kleure wat werk (of woon) in die buurt of dit as deurloop moet gebruik. Kyk ek na hoe gehawend die persoon is? Meestal is die persoon waarskynlik net ‘n honger bedelende boemelaar, maar dalk ook iemand wat vir ‘n misdaadgeleentheid soek? So waarvoor kyk ek?
Ek weet ons het baie arm honger mense en bedelaars in die land en ek kry hulle jammer, maar so het misdadigers mens ongelukkig ook baie verdag gemaak van ander mense.

Ek wonder sommer of van die ander lede kan noem waneer en hoe gemaklik hulle voel om die patrolliemotor te skakel vir mense wat duidelik nie hoort in die buurt nie, veral die wat soos boemelaars lyk?

]]> Comment on Welcome! by Sandy Webster http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-128 Sandy Webster Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:36:37 +0000 http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-128 I would also like to thank HCW for all they are doing to help fight crime and for providing such detailed information about what is happening in our area. It is quite staggering to see just how much crime has increased in this area in recent times and we can only fight this scourge if we are informed and if we stand together. It appears from some comments on the forum that your detailed information is slowly waking the community up to the fact that our beautiful town is no longer a safe place to live. I was also very heartened to see SAPS patrolling the suburban streets early the other morning and of course it always leaves one with a sense of security to see HCW. Local residents also need to be "on patrol" everytime they drive somewhere being the eyes and ears of our community and reporting anything that appears suspicious. Thank for all you are doing. I would also like to thank HCW for all they are doing to help fight crime and for providing such detailed information about what is happening in our area. It is quite staggering to see just how much crime has increased in this area in recent times and we can only fight this scourge if we are informed and if we stand together. It appears from some comments on the forum that your detailed information is slowly waking the community up to the fact that our beautiful town is no longer a safe place to live.
I was also very heartened to see SAPS patrolling the suburban streets early the other morning and of course it always leaves one with a sense of security to see HCW. Local residents also need to be “on patrol” everytime they drive somewhere being the eyes and ears of our community and reporting anything that appears suspicious.
Thank for all you are doing.

]]> Comment on Welcome! by Leone Whateley http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-73 Leone Whateley Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:29:20 +0000 http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-73 I just wanted to post a thank you note to the HCW - the information you provide is valuable and an eye opener - and I am a lot more careful and vigilant since reading the updates. We went through a bad patch in our complex where there were incidents almost 2x a week, but the complex community banded together and we now watch out for each other a lot more - and thank goodnes the criminal entrepeneurs have been quiet for the last few weeks. (From your updates, it seems they simply moved on a bit ...) Thank you for the hard work, it is much appreciated. I just wanted to post a thank you note to the HCW - the information you provide is valuable and an eye opener - and I am a lot more careful and vigilant since reading the updates. We went through a bad patch in our complex where there were incidents almost 2x a week, but the complex community banded together and we now watch out for each other a lot more - and thank goodnes the criminal entrepeneurs have been quiet for the last few weeks. (From your updates, it seems they simply moved on a bit …) Thank you for the hard work, it is much appreciated.

]]> Comment on Welcome! by Gwynne Foster http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-71 Gwynne Foster Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:06:47 +0000 http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-71 I join the many people who have expressed their good wishes and gratitude to Helderberg Watch. It is good to know you are in the area, and your response has always been excellent. Keep up the good work - I far too often take it for granted. On Wednesday night I attended the meeting of the new Residents' Action Group - The services will complement each other and I believe that is another initiative that is worth supporting in whichever way possible. A few thoughts resulting from the meeting: 1. There was some confusion about the numbering of "wards", which term was used in multiple contexts and which numbers therefore differ (the ward supported by councillors and that relating to HCW). 2. At a presentation on HCW that meeting I found out about the "meet and greet" service - I will certainly use that in future! Would it be possible to remind us of the services that you offer from time to time in th newsletter? There may be others that I have missed. 3. WHERE WAS EVERYONE? An earlier post here suggests to print 2 copies of the HCW newsletter and to meet with the neighbours. At the RAG meeting it was suggested that we bring 2 neighbours to the next meeting. I WILL DO THAT! Both suggestions. I am one of those people who is always so busy that I hardly know my neighbours . . . Thanks again for you hard work! I join the many people who have expressed their good wishes and gratitude to Helderberg Watch. It is good to know you are in the area, and your response has always been excellent. Keep up the good work - I far too often take it for granted.

On Wednesday night I attended the meeting of the new Residents’ Action Group - The services will complement each other and I believe that is another initiative that is worth supporting in whichever way possible.

A few thoughts resulting from the meeting:
1. There was some confusion about the numbering of “wards”, which term was used in multiple contexts and which numbers therefore differ (the ward supported by councillors and that relating to HCW).
2. At a presentation on HCW that meeting I found out about the “meet and greet” service - I will certainly use that in future! Would it be possible to remind us of the services that you offer from time to time in th newsletter? There may be others that I have missed.
3. WHERE WAS EVERYONE?

An earlier post here suggests to print 2 copies of the HCW newsletter and to meet with the neighbours. At the RAG meeting it was suggested that we bring 2 neighbours to the next meeting. I WILL DO THAT! Both suggestions. I am one of those people who is always so busy that I hardly know my neighbours . . .

Thanks again for you hard work!

]]> Comment on Welcome! by HCW Admin http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-50 HCW Admin Fri, 23 May 2008 09:07:37 +0000 http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-50 Margaret, your concern is a valid one and we are very sensitive to the fact that users of the Forum could innocently post information that could be used by the criminal element. There are however a number of safeguards in place to prevent this occurring. All posts are moderated, which means that moderators are immediately informed of all posts to the forum. In the event that a posting contains information that could jeopardise the security of either that person, or contains sensitive information, then that post will either be deleted or the relevant portion masked out. We are however on the long term looking at password access to the forum and are presently updating our online database which will allow only subscribers to Helderberg Crime Watch to enter the forum. Margaret, your concern is a valid one and we are very sensitive to the fact that users of the Forum could innocently post information that could be used by the criminal element.
There are however a number of safeguards in place to prevent this occurring. All posts are moderated, which means that moderators are immediately informed of all posts to the forum. In the event that a posting contains information that could jeopardise the security of either that person, or contains sensitive information, then that post will either be deleted or the relevant portion masked out.

We are however on the long term looking at password access to the forum and are presently updating our online database which will allow only subscribers to Helderberg Crime Watch to enter the forum.

]]> Comment on Welcome! by Margaret http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-49 Margaret Thu, 22 May 2008 18:58:05 +0000 http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-49 Thank you for all the good work. I have some reservations about the forum, as criminals could also log in and glean information from the comments, do you think there is any risk in this? Thank you for all the good work. I have some reservations about the forum, as criminals could also log in and glean information from the comments, do you think there is any risk in this?

]]> Comment on Welcome! by HCW Admin http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-44 HCW Admin Thu, 15 May 2008 16:11:01 +0000 http://www.hcw.org.za/blog/?p=4#comment-44 Mmm.. You pose an interesting question Roland however quite understandable given your position. Regarding your question, we are looking at the respective crime statistics for the Durbanville area (we assume that this is the area in which you presently have property) and will come back to this forum with a comparison once we have run the data. An interesting exercise in any event. Ok have run the data. There will be a variance according to crime per capita however if you were hoping to be moving to a "safe" area, sorry we cannot give you better news. <code><html> <head> <title>Untitled</title> </head> <body> <table border="1"> <tr> <td colspan="3" align="center">Source: Information Management<br>South African Police Service<br>Crime for the Durbanville Police Station<br>Crime for the Somerset West Police Station</td> </tr> <tr> <td>For <font color=#FF0000><b><u>6 Month period</u></b></font> Apr-Sept 2007</td> <td><b>Durbanville</b></td> <td><b>Somerset West</b></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Burglary at residential premises</td> <td>393</td> <td>390</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Burglary at business premises</td> <td>33</td> <td>133</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Theft of motor vehicle and motorcycle</td> <td>129</td> <td>191</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Theft out of or from motor vehicle</td> <td>222</td> <td>252</td> </tr> </table> </body> </html></code><br><img src="http://www.hcw.org.za/crime_images/hcw_breakingmap.jpg" alt="Burglary Residence" /> Mmm.. You pose an interesting question Roland however quite understandable given your position.
Regarding your question, we are looking at the respective crime statistics for the Durbanville area (we assume that this is the area in which you presently have property) and will come back to this forum with a comparison once we have run the data.
An interesting exercise in any event.

Ok have run the data. There will be a variance according to crime per capita however if you were hoping to be moving to a “safe” area, sorry we cannot give you better news.

Source: Information Management
South African Police Service
Crime for the Durbanville Police Station
Crime for the Somerset West Police Station
For 6 Month period Apr-Sept 2007 Durbanville Somerset West
Burglary at residential premises 393 390
Burglary at business premises 33 133
Theft of motor vehicle and motorcycle 129 191
Theft out of or from motor vehicle 222 252



Burglary Residence

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